Diaperswappers and Fuckery

As a writer, I abhor censorship.

As a human, I love and embrace being imperfect.

As an intelligent human, I hate douchebaggery.

I have two forums that I frequent, one of them a parenting forum. Until recently, I loved it. A dose of human interaction, the type that involves other moms. Who else can understand what you go through? Who else can relate to the insane antics of a naked two year old shoving M&M's into any available orfice? Another mom, that's who.

After a while, I noticed something really screwed up. There were strange things going on...people posting questions on things...and others jumping to advise those posters to call Child Protective Services. On people the replying commentors never met, had no information about. One such instance involved pictures of a home where the owner had tacked thin boards over the windows in what looked like an effort to secure them. Seriously, the 'boards' were painted and were like a ghetto security measure. "Call the police!" "The Fire Marshall!" "CPS!" --resounded all through the thread while the voices of reason, most asking why the poster felt the need to essentially stalk and post photos of a neighbor's home, were ignored.

Another forum member had been harassed by CPS because a moderator felt that the member was a danger to her children{or child?}--based on posts. Um, hello, this is the Internet, that member could have been some dude pretending to be an emotional chick. {She really is a woman, but that's an example}. Can you imagine being persecuted for an Internet rant or 50? All because a moderator got a 'feeling' ?


I posted an incorrect version. The mod involved posted the actual story in the comments, so to keep this honest, I am quoting. If the member is fine with her side being shared, that will be as well. Waiting on authorization from the member.

It seems you have your story a bit mixed up or perhaps you misunderstood what actually happened? I can see how that happened if you only heard one side. I don't believe you ever heard my side on this did you? 

I thought I'd share a bit to hopefully clarify things a wee bit.

I called looking for ADULT services based on what I was reading.I was not the only member concerned. Perhaps you missed the posts that had so many mama's worried? To this day, I'm not sorry I called. Rather that had been a man or troll posting (and I knew it wasn't as that member and I have both been on DS for years) to elude to taking your life is a very serious cry for help (or attention!) Since I couldn't be sure which, I made the call. I was told that there were not any type of adult intervention services. They said I had to talk to CPS in order to get any type of help for the mama at all. I did talk to them and made it VERY clear I did not feel that the mama was a danger to her child but that she did appear to be a danger to herself based on what she was writing. They asked me to read what she had written. I did. I then asked them to please just check on her and make sure she was getting help she needed if what she had written was concerning to them.I left it at that.There is a lot more to that story that took place in the following days. Including a call made to me by someone pretending to be a CPS case worker...


Good grief.

Now we have the most recent bout of fuckery.

A group of members began calling themselves 'Bottomfeeders' after a thread of righteous indignation spun out of control over food stamps. One side wanted to kill all of the poor people through starvation {not really, but from their tone you'd think people that needed assistance were shitting in their cereal bowls every morning}. The other side wanted all of the cookies and cake with their food stamp booze {again, not really, but you have to make it fun}.

Then you had a whole other side...which makes this like some sort of fucked up love triangle you'd only see on daytime TV. This side {corner?} didn't give two flying frog fucks who did what. YAY- the Bottomfeeder was born.

Whew. That is a lot to say while typing one handed.

The Bottomfeeders had a blast by joking around in threads. Their true nature really came to light when a thread started to turn into a trainwreck. One {or 10} would pop in and make a few jokes. Derail a nasty derail, if you will. This didn't sit well with the people that had A) No sense of humor, B)A hard time getting any sarcasm, C)An insanely large stick up the ass, or D) A deplenished supply of batteries or no sex toy at all.

Personally I think they'd all benefit from getting a man that can 'go downtown' if you get my drift.

So a thread just for these ladies was born. But, the Ass-Stickers were unhappy. They did not understand BottomFeeders. They thought that there were people laughing at them behind their backs. That there was a joke that they just couldn't get. They complained. Whined. Forgot to buy batteries for their B.O.B.s {Google that}.

BottomFeeders suddenly found they were being attacked. Banned for nothing. Suffering personal attacks, but unable to reply in kind--because to do so would 'stir the pot'.

You see, DiaperSwappers is a really crapass site with horrible writing. Saved only by their sponsor, CottonBabies, and their forum, the site has to keep 'site supporters' happy. As I said on Facebook- if every Bottomfeeder supported that site, the banning would never happen. Why? No matter what the rules are, PayPal will grab that cash back if you're banned, Baby.

Someone said..."You don't mess with DS."

Wrong.

You don't fuck with a pissed off bitch that can deal fuckery by the bucketfuls.

Why? Fuck YOU, that's why.


Postscript: I have been banned from Diaperswappers for one year. How much fuckery can I cause in one year?. Here is the message:


You have been banned for the following reason:
Banned for Bashing the website and team
Date the ban will be lifted: 06-28-2012, 09:00 PM

On that note, as a warning to the owner of that site and the mods, if there is even so much of a hint that you use my IP or information to do what you did to the one member { call local authorities/CPS/Boogeyman/whatever}, I will sue. There is a law in my state regarding false reports and 'revenge' reports. Ban all you wish, but keep it on the Internet. I don't play games of that sort.

35 comments:

Jenn said...

Stick! We miss you already. I don't really know what hapened, just wanted to say hi! Email me if you want to chat sometime. I'll follow your blog!

G said...

Dang. Don't these people know yet who they're messing with?

Freya said...

That was a blaze of glory. Where's the bowing, we're not worthy smiley when you need it?

Lynn said...

Banned for bashing them on your own site??

Freya said...

Oh, and I'll prolly get banned just for reading this let alone commenting.

Julie Fletcher said...

Ha, yeah, you all just may get banned. You know they watch your every move. My husband is a bit worried about their tendency to call authorities on people...but since I've pointed it out, I'd sue so fast their banhammer would look slow.

Lynn said...

I hang out on DS for fun but if they want to ban me for reading your blog then that's something else. Censorship is unfreakingbelievable.

Julie Fletcher said...

You'd only get banned if you mention it/link to it.

~happy2BAmommy~ said...

I didn't ban you but I am on the DS team.

I was reading a thread and saw the banned under your user name, dug around to see why as I have always admired your spunk.

I see you tried on DS to go out in a blaze of glory. I would have expected nothing less from spunky MamaStick. Leaving didn't get you banned. I hope you know that. It was linking to this that did it I'd say.

I want to say something in my defense.I am the admin on DS that called CPS on someone.

It seems you have your story a bit mixed up or perhaps you misunderstood what actually happened? I can see how that happened if you only heard one side. I don't believe you ever heard my side on this did you?

I thought I'd share a bit to hopefully clarify things a wee bit.

I called looking for ADULT services based on what I was reading.I was not the only member concerned. Perhaps you missed the posts that had so many mama's worried? To this day, I'm not sorry I called. Rather that had been a man or troll posting (and I knew it wasn't as that member and I have both been on DS for years) to elude to taking your life is a very serious cry for help (or attention!) Since I couldn't be sure which, I made the call.

I was told that there were not any type of adult intervention services. They said I had to talk to CPS in order to get any type of help for the mama at all. I did talk to them and made it VERY clear I did not feel that the mama was a danger to her child but that she did appear to be a danger to herself based on what she was writing. They asked me to read what she had written. I did. I then asked them to please just check on her and make sure she was getting help she needed if what she had written was concerning to them.I left it at that.

There is a lot more to that story that took place in the following days. Including a call made to me by someone pretending to be a CPS case worker...

As far as calling the authorities on anyone else... It would be far easier on me not to call when people try to scam members on our site. I could just not care. The fact is, I do. I'm sure the mothers I have helped re-coup money or product would probably disagree with you on rather or not my stepping in to try to resolve issues was such a negative thing.

I am quite proud that I have been able to help so many ladies. Quite.

Oh, and you mention tendencies to call. Mama, is it not safe to say that you do not actually know exactly how many calls I have made?

~happy2BAmommy~ said...
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~happy2BAmommy~ said...

Ladies, we don't ban people for going to other sites/blogs or for what they say about DiaperSwappers or the team elsewhere online. It is when it is said on DS that there is an issue. It really isn't a valid concern to think that you will be banned for reading or commenting on a blog.

Julie, I don't play revenge games and I am fairly certain no other team member on DS does either.

~happy2BAmommy~ said...

Okay, I re-read your post again. You are off on a few things.

I'm guessing there is a bit of anger talking or you have been fed a lot of stuff at some [point that you never actually looked into and just took as fact?

The site doesn't have to keep "site supporters" happy. That has never come up in discussion and it doesn't matter rather or not one is a site supporter if they don't follow the rules. We never pay attention to that badge.

Site supporters pay a very small fee in order to view the site free of the ads that keep the site running. That's the entire back story to site supporter status. It doesn't give one a "I can behave however I desire now that I paid a few bucks for a site supporter badge"

I'm guessing you must not have been a site supporter so that is how you have come to your conclusion?

You are off on a lot more but I'll leave you to whatever it is you are trying to do with your blog entry. I've learned people tend to believe what they will regardless of rather or not they have heard both sides.

~happy2BAmommy~ said...

'night ladies

Julie Fletcher said...

Happy2B,

Thank you for stopping by. I will concede the Adult Services--as you know, the story has been posted several times by that member. I'm happy to edit that.

As for my 'blaze of glory', I posted a short goodbye. I knew the link would result in a ban. I also did not post anything remotely offensive on DS.

Earlier today a personal attack was directed towards me and I responded. I received a warning and an edit. I'm sure you could check my inbox?

The calling of authorities is directed to members that blatantly post advice on calling such entities. I'm sure you could find a post or two where I stated that saying such things should not be allowed.

No, I am not a site supporter, though I had considered it when finances allowed. You say you do not need to keep those supporters happy, but I'm sure you are aware that if a supporter would be banned, they would be able to file a dispute or create a chargeback if within a certain timeframe. While you {or other mods} may not consider this, business practice does mean that paying subscribers are worth more. How many supporters have been banned for disagreeing with a mod?

I'm not sure of everything I am 'off' on, but if you care to provide concrete examples in a private email, I will edit my post to reflect truth. That is only fair.

As to what I am trying to accomplish? A big 'fuck you' to the members that felt it was okay to treat those that receive assistance, be it WIC, food stamps, or cash as second class citizens. The same screw you to the women that felt the need to make other women that are not perfect feel like trash.

And yes, another one to the people that allowed it to happen while at the same time telling the people being treated in that manner that they were 'rude', stirring the pot', or breaking some other rule by labeling their imperfectness.

Being a Bottomfeeder didn't mean anyone was excluded--we took every step to make people feel welcome. Can you please explain how cutting that off is productive?

Again, thank you for stopping in.

Reanna said...

Um, I got banned without a single strike for questioning the mods. That seems kinda like vengeance to me. I got told not to mess with the staff and banned. Really seems like that's what happened. Rules get bent and broken to satisfy the mods. I don't know if everything in this blog is spot on because there are references to things I wasn't party to, but banning a rule following member because they pop attitude with a mod once is corrupt. I warning (my first) would have been just, a strike, a week long ban to really drive it home and warn others "not to mess with DS" would have been sufficient. A six month ban is corrupt and every single person is astonished that DS did that. There is no way that my situation doesn't look like the mods on a personal vendetta.

Julie Fletcher said...

In reference to Reanna's comment...isn't it a little odd that 'BottomFeeders' are being targeted? Wouldn't you be angry if you felt targeted and saw your friends being treated wrongly?

Or would you let it slide?

A post there would have been deleted no matter how clean and polite. This puts it out where everyone can see and answers must be made. If not, and DS does not address the imbalance--everyone that uses a search engine will see it.

DS MUST crack down on such behavior from mods. Must crack down on the constant 'call cps!' posts from members. Crack down on the way low income mamas are treated. Hell, I do not receive such services, but many of my DS friends do.

You're damn right I took a ban to stand up for what is right. I orchestrated it to put attention on the wrongness going on.

~happy2BAmommy~ said...

Up nak :-)


Reanna, what was your DS user name? I'm more than willing to look into your account and any user notes that were left there.


Julie, I actually can't check our inbox (despite popular belief, we can't read pms) but I will check your user notes. If you got a pm from a team member they should have posted it there. Also, you mention you knew posting the link on DS would get you banned. Doesn't that mean you knew it would be considered bashing to post it? While you didn't actually type it out on DS, you did link to it from DS. If you knew it would get you banned, why post it?

On to site supporter.

I have never,ever been told that site supporters are worth more and to base things on that. I honestly do not think anyone on the team pays attention to that badge. I've never heard it brought up at all in all my time on the team. The only one profiting in this gets paid either way correct? Members can support and not see ads, he is paid. They can skip support, see ads and he is paid based on that as well.

It has never occurred to me to keep track of how many site supporters vs. non supporters are banned. Will be interesting to note from here on out.

As to what your goals were in posting this entry:
"A big 'fuck you' to the members that felt it was okay to treat those that receive assistance, be it WIC, food stamps, or cash as second class citizens. The same screw you to the women that felt the need to make other women that are not perfect feel like trash.

And yes, another one to the people that allowed it to happen while at the same time telling the people being treated in that manner that they were 'rude', stirring the pot', or breaking some other rule by labeling their imperfectness."

It appears the team missed something that was a rather big deal. I do not re-call seeing where the above happened mama. Are you saying that there was a thread in which those on assistance were being treated badly and that a member who came to their defense was warned by a team member for doing so? Do you recall when this was or any key words in the title?

Reanna said...

My username was reithegenki. My email is that at gmail if you would like to discuss it. I am upset by what happened and seem to have been made out by the mods to be a big troublemaker. I'll admit I may have been short with ktmelody, but I am genuinely astounded that it resulted in a six month ban.

Terra said...

Great post and I agree. I'm very saddened by it all and decided not to go back to DS.

It does seem like some mods are on a power trip and are trying to sound like our "mommies" by saying [aka finger pointing like a parent would do], now don't talk back to me...I'll dare you do that young lady!

Please, I'm 40 years old. If I want to joke around about my bottomfeederness, about VNP, whatever, it's all in good fun.

The truth is, the whole group will never agree/get along 100%. I like most all the ladies there [there's really only one person that I truly can not stand]. I find that I disagree with some in one thread to the extreme, but in another I'll find myself 100% agreeing with them.

And the further truth is, I'm friends [outside of DS] with the "clique" girls of VNP and bottomfeeders and those CAN and DO overlap.

Good grief, it's a forum, a message board and there has been a great over reaction by just a very few to the extent that we all have been censored [hence your great blog entry :) ] and that is not right!

Kittee said...

Geeze Lady! You still never gave me your RealID =P

In all seriousness though...way to stand up for what you think is right. There are some mama's on that forum that need a serious reality check. I've been warned before for being "mean" to them so I kinda feel like this post was written just for me.

Are you my Lancelot?

Anyways- Can I have your facebook so we can keep in touch? Purty plwease?

jamieism said...

Holy Moses Julie - you DO know how to go out with a bang! And whoa Reanna - I am so sorry I feel totally responsible. I did pm admin to try and explain. Never heard back. H2BaM - I have nothing but respect for you. I hope you can sort at least Reanna's ban out (seems like Julie you've sorted yourself!) I had more fun and felt more connected to DS for the brief time the bottomfeeder threads were going (and vnp but i was more a gawker there I think) - not that I agreed with everyone all the time but it felt like it had humor and life. I am really sad it blew up this way.

equivocal said...

Wow. A mention of my situation. Never expected that. I will say that THE CPS REP read me the EXACT claim and there was NO mention of a request for ADULT SERVICES.

If that request had been made an entirely different branch of DHS would have been involved. They weren't.

ADULT SERVICES are available and I can link you to DHS' site to provide proof, if need be.

That said - that was done 8+ months ago and I am STILL pissed about it. Nothing came of it. I still have custody of my kid and my psychiatric team is still treating me to the best of their ability.

I DO believe, without a single doubt in my mind, that the call(s) were NOT made for my kid and I's benefit.

Abbie said...

I saw the post on DoDS so I had to come find out what happened. Now that I've read, I have to say a resounding THANK YOU, because there are so many "perfect" people there who I'd honestly like to give a big "fuck you" too, as well. The 'I'm so perfect, my kid is an angel, I have 4 and they're excellent, I have abs like a man" few get on my ever last nerve enough to leave a thread I would've liked.

I saw Reanna had been banned for saying 'that's stupid.' Really? So, I'm glad Happy2beamommy is looking into that. Despite that I agree with others that some mods treat a lot of women like kids, happy2beamommy doesn't, and she actually does do a lot of good there. She's way more than handslaps and little chairs, and i really like her now.

Julie I will miss you there. I noticed the censorship a loooong time ago, and it is very irritating. I think we both have a love for colorful language, which makes us censored easily.
But I'll definitely continue to follow you on Facebook and here on your blog.

~happy2BAmommy~ said...

jamieism, Did you pm me? What's your DS user name? I'll look. I get swamped sometimes and it is possible I opened it and got called away by a kiddo and forgot to respond (we have also had a "puke and run" bug at our house this week so I've been pretty busy. I am SO thankful for 2 washing machines!)

Reanana, got your email and your side to things. Thanks for passing that to me. I was out the day all that went down.I will be looking into post that day,reports etc. I'll be sure to share your email with my co-admins if you are alright with my doing that.

Abbie, don't know who you are on DS but thanks! Very few DS mama's have said anything positive about me online I just got a wee bit gooey inside. Brownie points woulda just been earned if I actually had a scorecard lol.

3 Girls, 2 boys, and 1 dog said...

H2BM, I will take you on your word that none of us will get banned for speaking freely here.

Your mod team needs some work. Many of them are GREAT. There's no question about that (I personally love Sally). But honestly? I'm sick of ktmelody bringing the smackdown on people for absolutely nothing. She really goes off very quickly, and I have many times wondered where on earth her nasty comments came from. She can be very rude.

The whole thing of banning people for disrespect to the mod team? That's garbage. For one thing, respect is such a broad term, how can you possibly quantify it? Secondly, it's like being in China, you can't ever question, can't ever make a suggestion, or whammo, you mysteriously disappear. Is that the type of forum you want to run, or be a part of?

I really want to like DS, but over the years it has gotten to where a lot of the mods are on a horrible power trip, and treating their members like crap. I'd be banned for talking to a member of the mod team the way they talk to us. That's not right. I don't post on DS like I used to, because I get really tired of the hand slapping and the threats to ban for "disrespect."

And to be clear, I have never gotten a strike, or been banned or hand slapped or whatever. So I'm posting as an impartial outsider. I was completely clueless about all of this, even though I was one of the bottomfeeders in the beginning. When they moved the thread, I lost track of it, and I have been spending my time at another less moderated forum (not CDN, in case you were wondering). The forum is way over moderated, and it's going to end up like MDC, the laughingstock of the parenting forum world. I think DS can do better, but it's going to take a leadership team that is based more on honesty and respect towards the members.

So, that's my opinion, do with it what you will. :)

Abbie said...

I'm Thing1 & Thing2 now, after you helped me change my name.

And I agree with the last commenter. There are posts where kt is as nice as everyone else, but her reply to reisapphirejade in a public thread is the kind of thing people are talking about. I've always liked Steph, though she stepped down, and I really like and respect you now, truly. But I'm pretty indifferent on everyone else really. And to be totally transparent, I have had two strikes, but I swear I don't remember who from! lol it was over she who shall not be named... ;) so it has been a while.

~happy2BAmommy~ said...

Tiffany, I am going to publicly discuss here what happened between you and I. Unprofessional as it may be,I have grown weary of you playing the victim. You know exactly what my reasoning was and why I called.

You know for a fact what I told them because you called my home pretending to be the caseworker following up with me needing to go back over what I reported. Perhaps you recall my getting upset with the "caseworker" when she mentioned my report claimed I thought that the child was being abused? Remember what I told you? I told you straight up that I did not make that claim and that I called out of concern for an ADULT. I recall telling the "caseworker" to re-read the report because nowhere in it did I mention a child was being abused. I actually got a wee bit upset and you started saying "Ma'am,ma'am,It is okay there must have been a misunderstanding"

In the course of your questioning me, I responded to one question from the "caseworker" and mentioned my father and how he played people and how I saw some of him in this person I had reported and that I was (and still am) incredibly concerned because in my father's case, while he loved his children, he made a judgment call that could have cost some of those children their life. You know all that though...

Wanna talk about pissed? It takes A LOT to rile me up.And I do mean a lot. I don't even used the word pissed but yeah, that's a pretty good description of how I felt for about 30 minutes towards you.

Try being in my shoes when after I answered the "caseworkers" questions, I hung up and in 10 seconds it hit me what had probably just happened. I lived with someone like you remember?? I hit call return on my phone and your voicemail picked up. I was polite to you.Vastly nicer than I should have been given the scope of what you did in order to obtain information from me.

To add insult, you make little remarks on DS about this but my hands are tied from fully sharing everything.Other women do to.Women who have heard your side only.

Wanna know something else? Despite what you did, I stuck up and still stick up for you on DS. I don't want you to be cut off from any friends on there or support that you may need. I've often wondered if that was the right call.

I still have those post that you yourself wrote Tiffany. The ones that triggered my call.They were removed from the open forums but just because you can't see them doesn't mean they are gone. I read them when called and I gave my report.I made it very clear in that call that those post were teh reason I called. I didn't call making accusations against you. I don't know you. All I knew was what you yourself had written and it scared me for YOU.

I was livid that my information was either shared with you or stolen by you. When the actual caseworker called to go over my statement, I once again gave the same story I gave them the first time and you as well but that time, I let them know that you called pretending to be the caseworker herself. You even used her name when I asked you who was calling. It was recommended to me that I file a compliant against you. I wanted to be done with it all at that point.

As I told you before, those treating you are only able to do so to the best of their ability. As the daughter of someone who was brilliant, I know treatment depends on the "abilities" of a therapist or medical professional. The people that often need the help the most, are smart enough to play them too.

I do not believe you are mentally well Tiffany. It is costing not only you, but your daughter.

~happy2BAmommy~ said...

Reanna, I did check on your ban and the reasoning behind it. It wasn't that you came to the defense of someone that got you banned. It was what followed the pm to you that did.

I don't want to post all that publicly but I can email you on it if you would like. JLMK.

~happy2BAmommy~ said...

Hi thing1 and thing 2 :-)

"She who shall not be named" lol. Been awhile since I thought of her!


I am looking into some of the things you and other posters have mentioned. I have had some other mention these things to me recently by way of pm.

Ladies, I do also want to mention that it isn't really "You disrespected a team member so banning you"

It is more like "You were asked to knock off xyz and have kept it up so banning you"

I very seldom ban. I don't believe I have ever banned someone for not being respectful/polite to me. I have done so when they aren't respectful/polite to other members though.

~happy2BAmommy~ said...

Oh, and just for the record. Some of my fave DS mama's are/were bottomfeeders. Being a bottomfeeder didn't get people banned. I just want to be clear on that! I am also upset to see that one long time member I had a lot of respect for (despite not agreeing with her on everything lol!) made the choice to leave DS. It really saddens me.

Well, looks like DD may actually finally be ready for bed so I am off. hope you all have a good week.

Adi said...

wow oh wow. H2BaM, thanks for explaining some. You're one of the mods that I totally respect and even now more so for being so upfront and open.

Terra said...

Happy2BMommy, [weird posting a screen name! lol], I got an email saying you messaged me at DS, I just wanted to answer here :) I love that this conversation is open, honest and respectful :)

Thank you for sharing your thoughts and speaking your mind, AND clarifying on all counts.

I have/had no issue with you at all. I always liked you! Enjoyed interacting with you on DS. It was mainly how KTmelody reacted and I felt [thought it *may* have been mis-perceived], like we were being treated like children.

I agree that maybe there were some uncalled things from a few members, shoot there always is! lol

I honestly just felt that it wasn't right to say we can't have this or that name in our siggies or posts with those words in it. To me *personally* it's not different than saying "AP, crunchy, knitter, hooker, etc". In reality, yes I guess it could be called "clubs" or "cliques". Not everyone identifies with AP or Knitter or Crunchy or Mainstream or whatever.

I think if one "name" is wiped then all should be.

Again, I don't condone rude people/remarks. That's when they should be dealt with individually. I would say the very few that were like that were a gross misrepresentation of we bottomfeeders or VNP ;)

Anyway, I just wanted to let you know what I was feeling. And honestly, I miss DS deeply, miss interacting, miss asking questions, answering questions, blowing off steam! :)

Probably what got me most was when *Peanut* posted [she emailed me], that she missed me there and a few others. That was truly touching.

What saddened me was KT's reaction of basically "oh well people come and go all the time, DS will go on."

Okay, I get that on a basic level, but it sure didn't come off as a caring attitude. Up until then I don't *think, that I can recall* been rude to KTmelody. I never had any run-ins with her that I can ever remember.

So believe me, I'm still debating to come back or not. I miss the community of it because honestly it feels like more a "crunchy" board that I like but I can also be bottomfeeding sometime and be okay too ;) I miss that!

Megan said...

The whole DS drama/banning/fuckery aside, I just wanna say that I never knew that precious little tidbit about the "cps caseworker" following up. H2bam, I'm so sorry you had to deal with that. That's truly fucked up. I understand mental illness plays a role but that's just something that's so beyond fucked up it's not even funny. I WAS supportive. I listened for hours through calls and texts about stuff that I KNEW were lies from Tiffany straight to my face. I gave her the attention and "oh poor you" that I knew she wanted because I wanted to believe that Tiffany just needed an ear and she would straighten out after some time. So I put up with it. And when I got a text one day while out of the house from Tiffany commenting that she was thinking of buying a gun and using phrases that led me to believe she would hurt herself, I took action. I called another DS mama for help. We googled Michigan gun laws and found that there is no waiting period for handguns in that state and Tiffany could go out and purchase a weapon at any point without needing to wait and contemplate her actions. So I had this other DS mama pm mods for help and H2bam responded. We were able to share my concerns and a synopsis of the texts with her and ask for advice. I'd never made a cps call at that point, I didn't know what to do. I was racked with guilt over the whole thing. I'm not sure if my actions preceeded the "adult services" call but I stand by the need to have SOMEONE, ANYONE check on Tiffany and Makenna because I was distraught. It may have been yet another "poor me" call for attention but I couldn't be certain at the time and I wasn't taking chances. I didn't know what else to do. So sure, go ahead and be pissed Tiffany, but make sure you know who you are pissed at. I dropped that shit at H2bam's pm box for her to handle as she saw fit and if this is the circumstance in which she called cps, I fully support that. I've supported you left and right and all of a sudden because I supported *peanut* in a thread on DS ONE.TIME. you unfriend me on facebook and block me??? Well ain't that just the kick in the crotch. You are only hurting yourself and Maki by alienating people who care about you. I'm done with your drama and supporting things I know are boldfaced lies from your mouth. I KNEW you lied all that time about what was going on with Steph and things she supposedly said and did but I knew you needed a supportive shoulder to lean on more than you needed a kick in the head for lying. Go find someone else who wants to repeatedly get their heart stomped on. I'm out.

Mama Stick said...

:-) I might be a bitch, but isn't it cool when things go semi-according to your evil plan?

As in a previous comment, I said that attention had to be drawn to it {the fuckery} before anything would be done.

Karma loves me for it because cookies are coming in the mail.

Reanna said...

Thanks for looking into it H2BAM, but you do realize that I was never PM'd or warned right? I PM'd KT and then next time I came on I was banned. I don't need my ban lifted, I get it. Please email me the details when you have time. I won't press it, but I'm curious to see what evidence they put against me. I am still astounded that mods ban for "disrespect" without issuing a warning. I don't know what those notes say but I honestly did not even post after *I* PM'd KT. What I said was "a mod is on a powertrip" or something along those lines and then afterwards PM'd KT and logged off. If I received a warning it was when I was offline and then they banned me immediately after issuing it so I never even saw it.
Well, anyway, I honestly do appreciate you taking the time to look into it and to come here and clear up the Tiffany fiasco. I don't like only getting one side of things and it's good to know what actually happened so that I am not taking her side wrongly.